Curse

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

My Fire ele is absolutely fine for PvE, I couldn't make him any better if I tried, but the thing is I completely suck at PvP. I'm always one of the first to die even when I don't run straight in & I hardly EVER even bring enemies down to around half health, let alone kill them.

The problem is not running out of energy, as I run dual attune (fire + ele attunement) so I never run out. I try to always go for the monk first but I can't even kill them because they constantly heal. So I try to go for something else and get wiped out extremely fast & do hardly any damage because they're getting healed by the monk I failed to kill. I dont use Skills such as searing heat etc because they stay in one spot and do AOE damage for around 5 seconds and players in PvP move around constantly so I thought it'd be pointless to use it.

So I was wondering if you could help me tweak my build, I'd REALLY appreciate it. Here it is:

Health - 585 (-75 From Sup Fire Magic Rune)
Energy - 76
Energy Storage - 12
Fire Magic - 16 (12 + 4)

[skill]elemental attunement[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]immolate[/skill][skill]rodgort's invocation[/skill][skill]fireball[/skill][skill]flame burst[/skill][skill]arcane echo[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

As I said, I'd appreciate it if you could tell me where I'm going wrong, thanks a lot.

EDIT: Plus I only have Prophecies & Factions at the moment.

Moonlit Azure · Nov 29, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Your strategy might be wrong also, try staying back a bit since eles are squishy.

I recommend mark of rodgort, and savannah heat also.

Dont forget aura of restoration.

Dzan · Nov 29, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Is your Mind Blast + Immolate + Glowing Gaze broken? Or are you just Prophecies only?

yum · Nov 29, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

in b4 close

campfire ploxx!!

Div · Nov 29, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Flame burst is bad.

There needs to be a separate category of "check out my bad PvP build and help make it better" in Gladiator's arena.

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

OK so where do I post this? Should it be in PvP skill discussion section?

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by yum

in b4 close

campfire ploxx!!

Why should this be in the Campfire section? It's a PvP question, not PvE.

ensoriki · Nov 29, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

PvP build directly I think is the spot >.> I dunno its never used or something.

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

PvP build directly I think is the spot >.> I dunno its never used or something.

OK so what do I do with this thread? I don't wanna get banned for posting the same thread in the correct section. Seeing as I can't delete this thread, should I just EDIT it and say CLOSED or something? Thanks.

Marverick · Nov 29, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

#1. Don't use anything besides minors on a caster.
#2. Dual attunements in PvP = bad
#3. Arcane echo in PvP = bad
#4. Fire magic is the wrong thing if you're looking to kill stuff by yourself. Go play a hammer warrior or E/A earth spiker.

ensoriki · Nov 29, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Try Air Spike...make a come back.

Try water ele? Its sexy.

Try Geomancer....its cool.
Fire is boring anyways thats why it sucks.

Anyways

what are you echoing? Arcane echo its taking 15 energy out of your money bank.
Dual attunements isn't getting you anywhere.

If your feeling gutsy.

put a few points in ice spikes.

Run Savannah's heat and that >.>

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

#1. Don't use anything besides minors on a caster.
#2. Dual attunements in PvP = bad
#3. Arcane echo in PvP = bad
#4. Fire magic is the wrong thing if you're looking to kill stuff by yourself. Go play a hammer warrior or E/A earth spiker.

- So I should take off the Superior Fire rune and replace with a minor? Is this just for PvP or PvE also?

- I'll take arcane echo out then

- Which of my dual attunements should I use, Elemental or Fire? If fire, then which Elite spell should I use taking into account I only have Prophecies & Factions.

Thanks.

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Try Air Spike...make a come back.

Try water ele? Its sexy.

Try Geomancer....its cool.
Fire is boring anyways thats why it sucks.

Anyways

what are you echoing? Arcane echo its taking 15 energy out of your money bank.
Dual attunements isn't getting you anywhere.

If your feeling gutsy.

put a few points in ice spikes.

Run Savannah's heat and that >.>

I can't run savannah's heat as I only have Proph + Factions. I'm echoing Rodgorts. I'd prefer to stay with fire if I can help it seeing as I'm so used to it, plus I like it the most of of all the elements. I'm sure fire isn't that bad, I mean I can't have picked the crappiest one out of the 4 to choose from surely. All of the elements have their weaknesses & bonuses and I like fire due to it's high damage dealing capabilities.

JR · Nov 29, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

This should be in Campfire, and Campfire should be the 'solo character builds' section.

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

This should be in Campfire, and Campfire should be the 'solo character builds' section.

Why? The campfire says:

Quote:

PvE Builds and Discussion
Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE.

This is a PvP question.

moriz · Nov 29, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00

sorry to say this, but without NF, you're out of luck. NF introduced some of the powerful ele elites (especially fire elites) that made fire nukers viable. without it, there isn't much you can do.

if you still want to play ele, you can try something like this:

air = 12+1+1
energy = 8+1
heal = 10

elemental attunement
air attunement
blinding flash
lightning hammer (don't know if this is factions or not...)
lightning orb
lightning bolt
gale
healing breeze

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

sorry to say this, but without NF, you're out of luck. NF introduced some of the powerful ele elites (especially fire elites) that made fire nukers viable. without it, there isn't much you can do.

if you still want to play ele, you can try something like this:

air = 12+1+1
energy = 8+1
heal = 10

elemental attunement
air attunement
blinding flash
lightning hammer (don't know if this is factions or not...)
lightning orb
lightning bolt
gale
healing breeze

The people above said dual attune was bad in PvP though

TheOneMephisto · Nov 29, 2007, 03:48 AM // 03:48

In before close.

EDIT: And to all you people asking where this should go, the answer is that it shouldn't. PvP builds have 4 or 8 members, and this general section is not the place to put individual builds. The closest thing would be campfire or the RA thread, otherwise, the thread should just die.

And to the OP, if you're new to PvP, the problem probably isn't the build, the problem is probably how you play. Not to insult you or anything, but that's just how things work. For learning (especially in RA), I'd suggest just getting a build of pvxwiki and playing in RA a LOT. It's impossible to understate how long it takes to get general PvP tactics and micro to the point where you do it by instinct, and the only way to get better is to practice. Look at some of the threads around here, especially the ones designed towards beginners and the "general guidelines" threads, and just go play for a long time while trying to chat up anyone you see that's good and asking some questions.l

moriz · Nov 29, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

dual attunement is the best you have access for. i don't think you have the micromanaging skills required to run glyph of energy, and ether prodigy will probably make you die even faster.

therefore, dual attunement is the way to go for you. at least until you get a bit more experience.

Vanchatron · Nov 29, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Yeah that's a problem aswell, I hardly ever play PvP at all. It's maybe once every couple of weeks I just go to RA and have a few matches. I guess if I really wanted to get more into PvP I'd have to just go and practice.

Thanks for the help anyway guys even it this is in the wrong section